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05/08/2004 "Torture in Abu Ghraib"

Slap them around when they are children to teach them "obedience". Tolerate bullies and meanness while they are in school, and encourage hierarchies of jocks and geeks. Teach them recreational killing of animals to harden them. Teach them to find "bonding" in the tradition of killing with comrades.

Tolerate the abuse of animals. Sentence them to 9 months for raping 9 year old girls (See The Janesville Gazette; May 7 2004; page 1B; Assault brings Sentence), tolerate child abuse within the family by refusing to remove abused children or adequately supervise foster homes.

Venerate a macho sports culture which routinely degrades Native Americans and women.

Jail minorities for non violent crimes at a ratio of 4 to 1 Caucasian - tolerate unquestioningly any kind of police abuse; find acceptable and entertaining TV COPS showing "authority" that demeans and humiliates low working class and unemployed citizens.

It seems there are always jobs and positions of authority for the bullies and sadists amongst us at the expense of all the rest of us.

Then we, especially the politicians and the media, act surprised and shocked when they see pictures of the bullies acting out the results of a culture that tolerates and admires violence - a culture that tolerates abuse of "THE OTHER", the minority, the helpless and dependent, those who are not US.

I get the first 10 cable channels for 10 dollars a month because I watch C-Span - I especially wanted to watch the torture hearings. I am glad the torture WE ALWAYS DO IN ALL PRISONS, here AND there; that we are so proficient at ignoring, has finally been exposed in a way that causes much PR damage to the established order.

Now they will have to change at least the rules of "interrogation".

In Viet Nam women about to be captured routinely put razor blades in their vaginas because gang rape before death was a certainty. NO Viet Cong or innocent peasant ever survived "interrogation" then - and what we did in Nicaragua and South America is still hidden. And they all act so shocked now that there are pictures. They knew and we all know what is going on in our jails and prisons but some of us are helpless to change things and many call it, as Rush Limbaugh did last week: just having a little fun, blowing off steam, having a tailgate party.

So I am very interested in the institutional change that will come from this exposure - will it just be some politically motivated window dressing, will it drive torture underground or will it end torture as a standard technique of interrogation by the CIA and their ilk? Will the progressive people in this country draw the similarities to the imprisoned innocent here? And draw the similarities to the conditions of confinement in the U.S.?

Torture doesn't work to get information anyway - money and drugs are what works and what got us Saddam.

Those who call for the resignation of Rumsfeld are those who never supported this war and smell political opportunity the way sharks smell blood in the water. CALLING FOR THE RESIGNATION OF RUMSFELD IS A DIVERSION FROM WHERE THEY DO NOT WANT OUR ATTENTION FOCUSED. People who want to win the war on terror and defeat the patriarchy of the Moslem brotherhood.

CALL FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, GEORGE J. TENET. HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE INTERROGATORS (in terror gators). HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SPREAD OF U.S. TERROR.

AND CALL FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR INTELLIGENCE, STEPHEN CAMBONE;
AND Major General Geoffrey Miller, formerly the commandant at Guantanamo, Cuba;
and MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE COMMANDER, COLONEL THOMAS M PAPPAS;
AND HEAD OF JOINT INTERROGATION AND DEBRIEFING, LT COL. STEVE JORDAN.

Tenet failed to predict the Cole bombing, the 1998 Indian nuclear tests, 9/11, the reality of WMD and the various bombings of embassies around the world. He probably is behind the movement to fire Rumsfeld in order to deflect attention from his own dirty record.

Fire Tenet, Cambone, Miller, Pappas and Jordan

Pass It On

No, Rumsfeld is not the problem here unless you really do not care about torture and just want to use the issue to get rid of bush. But Rumsfeld has an undersecretary in charge of military intelligence who ought to be fired. He was testifying yesterday in the congressional hearings as to how no one did anything wrong. Pappas and Jordan are his boys. They are the ones who took the command of the interrogation unit away from Kaprinski.

CALL FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENCE INTELLIGENCE (whose name I do not know yet) and the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE COMMANDER, COLONEL THOMAS M PAPPAS AND COMMANDER OF JOINT INTERROGATION AND DEBRIEFING, LT COL. STEVE JORDAN.

Tenet failed to predict the Cole bombing, the 1998 Indian nuclear tests, 9/11, the reality of WMD and the various bombings of embassies around the world. He probably is behind the movement to fire Rumsfeld in order to deflect attention from his own dirty record.

Fire Tenet, Pappas and Jordan.

Pass it on.

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